Zabaz, the Glimmerwasp
Together Forever
Ashnod's Altar

   Prerequisites

What do I need to start this combo?
All permanents on the battlefield.
Zabaz has at least one counter on it.
1 available

   Steps

How does this combo work?
1
Activate Together Forever by paying 1, targeting Zabaz.
2
Activate Ashnod's Altar by sacrificing Zabaz, adding .
3
Zabaz dies, triggering its modular ability and Together Forever.
4
Resolve the Zabaz trigger, moving its +1/+1 counters onto another artifact creature.
5
Resolve the Together Forever trigger, returning Zabaz from your graveyard to your hand.
6
Cast Zabaz by paying 1, which enters with a +1/+1 counter on it.
7
Repeat.

   Results

What do I get from this combo?
Infinite +1/+1 counters on all other artifact creatures you control
Infinite death triggers
Infinite ETB
Infinite LTB
Infinite sacrifice triggers
Infinite storm count
Sephiroth, Fallen Hero
0.35% of 1418 decks 5 decks
Terra, Herald of Hope
0.05% of 5507 decks 3 decks
Kilo, Apogee Mind
0.08% of 3554 decks 3 decks
Top Commanders
Zabaz, the Glimmerwasp
26.91% of 2646 decks 712 decks
Optimus Prime, Hero
2.06% of 3877 decks 80 decks
Shalai and Hallar
0.21% of 9493 decks 20 decks
The Jolly Balloon Man
0.18% of 7664 decks 14 decks
Cayth, Famed Mechanist
0.35% of 3103 decks 11 decks
Akiri, Line-Slinger // Reyhan, Last of the Abzan
5.71% of 175 decks 10 decks
Arcee, Sharpshooter
5.26% of 171 decks 9 decks
Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion // Street Urchin
8.96% of 67 decks 6 decks
Ultra Magnus, Tactician
0.34% of 1456 decks 5 decks
Osgir, the Reconstructor
0.08% of 5135 decks 4 decks
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death
0.05% of 6109 decks 3 decks
Ramos, Dragon Engine
0.03% of 9930 decks 3 decks
Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder // Reyhan, Last of the Abzan
0.90% of 333 decks 3 decks
Zinnia, Valley's Voice
0.02% of 11822 decks 2 decks
Aragorn, Hornburg Hero
0.07% of 2900 decks 2 decks
New Cards
Inspirit, Flagship Vessel
50% of 4 decks +45% synergy
Noctis, Prince of Lucis
50% of 2 decks +49% synergy
Terrasymbiosis
33% of 3 decks +30% synergy
Surge Conductor
27% of 82 decks +26% synergy
Insight Engine
25% of 4 decks +23% synergy
High Synergy Cards
Arcbound Shikari
93% of 915 decks +93% synergy
Arcbound Mouser
86% of 915 decks +86% synergy
Arcbound Tracker
85% of 915 decks +85% synergy
Steel Overseer
86% of 915 decks +85% synergy
Arcbound Ravager
84% of 915 decks +84% synergy
Arcbound Crusher
83% of 915 decks +83% synergy
Arcbound Reclaimer
82% of 915 decks +82% synergy
Arcbound Worker
81% of 915 decks +81% synergy
Arcbound Stinger
79% of 915 decks +79% synergy
Arcbound Javelineer
79% of 915 decks +79% synergy
Top Cards
Foundry Inspector
77% of 915 decks +73% synergy
Arcbound Prototype
76% of 915 decks +75% synergy
Scrapyard Recombiner
75% of 915 decks +74% synergy
Arcbound Slith
74% of 915 decks +74% synergy
Losheel, Clockwork Scholar
72% of 915 decks +70% synergy
Scrap Trawler
72% of 915 decks +70% synergy
Swords to Plowshares
71% of 915 decks +9% synergy
Blaster, Combat DJ
68% of 47 decks +68% synergy
Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle
68% of 915 decks +65% synergy
Dispatch
67% of 915 decks +62% synergy
Game Changers
Enlightened Tutor
22% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Demonic Tutor
21% of 24 decks +0% synergy
Vampiric Tutor
17% of 24 decks +0% synergy
Smothering Tithe
16% of 915 decks -7% synergy
Jeska's Will
13% of 915 decks -3% synergy
Teferi's Protection
11% of 915 decks -7% synergy
Urza, Lord High Artificer
11% of 102 decks +8% synergy
Deflecting Swat
10% of 915 decks -6% synergy
Ancient Tomb
9% of 915 decks -1% synergy
Gamble
8% of 915 decks -1% synergy
Creatures
Enthusiastic Mechanaut
66% of 102 decks +61% synergy
Arcbound Slasher
63% of 915 decks +63% synergy
Arcbound Overseer
60% of 915 decks +60% synergy
Etherium Sculptor
58% of 102 decks +52% synergy
Myr Retriever
57% of 915 decks +55% synergy
Herald of Secret Streams
57% of 102 decks +54% synergy
Arcbound Whelp
56% of 915 decks +56% synergy
Jetfire, Ingenious Scientist
56% of 102 decks +56% synergy
Arcbound Condor
56% of 18 decks +55% synergy
Metastatic Evangel
51% of 651 decks +48% synergy
Host of the Hereafter
50% of 6 decks +49% synergy
Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion
48% of 915 decks +46% synergy
Filigree Vector
48% of 915 decks +48% synergy
Oswald Fiddlebender
48% of 915 decks +46% synergy
Corpsejack Menace
47% of 17 decks +42% synergy
Solemn Simulacrum
47% of 915 decks +34% synergy
Goblin Engineer
47% of 915 decks +44% synergy
Esper Sentinel
45% of 915 decks +25% synergy
Walking Ballista
41% of 915 decks +39% synergy
Goblin Welder
41% of 915 decks +38% synergy
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain
40% of 102 decks +35% synergy
Arcbound Hybrid
40% of 915 decks +39% synergy
Jhoira's Familiar
39% of 915 decks +38% synergy
Feldon of the Third Path
39% of 915 decks +36% synergy
Hangarback Walker
39% of 915 decks +38% synergy
Padeem, Consul of Innovation
35% of 102 decks +32% synergy
Cayth, Famed Mechanist
33% of 69 decks +30% synergy
Arcbound Fiend
33% of 915 decks +33% synergy
Danny Pink
33% of 94 decks +32% synergy
Alibou, Ancient Witness
32% of 915 decks +30% synergy
Thrummingbird
28% of 102 decks +25% synergy
Warren Soultrader
28% of 18 decks +22% synergy
Kami of Whispered Hopes
28% of 47 decks +21% synergy
Gold-Forged Thopteryx
27% of 102 decks +24% synergy
Thought Monitor
27% of 102 decks +24% synergy
Emry, Lurker of the Loch
27% of 102 decks +23% synergy
Conclave Mentor
26% of 47 decks +22% synergy
Mm'menon, the Right Hand
25% of 4 decks +24% synergy
Bronze Guardian
25% of 915 decks +23% synergy
Marketback Walker
25% of 414 decks +24% synergy
Kodama of the West Tree
23% of 47 decks +19% synergy
Abzan Falconer
23% of 915 decks +21% synergy
Mindless Automaton
23% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Cyberdrive Awakener
22% of 102 decks +19% synergy
Denry Klin, Editor in Chief
21% of 102 decks +20% synergy
Kappa Cannoneer
21% of 102 decks +18% synergy
Iron Apprentice
20% of 915 decks +20% synergy
The Jolly Balloon Man
20% of 558 decks +17% synergy
Junk Diver
19% of 915 decks +19% synergy
Ornithopter of Paradise
19% of 915 decks +14% synergy
Instants
Path to Exile
52% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Deadly Dispute
50% of 24 decks +38% synergy
Inspiring Call
49% of 47 decks +41% synergy
Boros Charm
48% of 915 decks +25% synergy
Counterspell
43% of 102 decks +1% synergy
Generous Gift
40% of 915 decks +16% synergy
Beast Within
38% of 47 decks +3% synergy
Demand Answers
33% of 792 decks +27% synergy
Chaos Warp
31% of 915 decks -0% synergy
Unbreakable Formation
26% of 915 decks +20% synergy
Village Rites
25% of 24 decks +15% synergy
Experimental Augury
25% of 102 decks +22% synergy
Heroic Intervention
17% of 47 decks -13% synergy
Vayne's Treachery
17% of 6 decks +16% synergy
Eviscerator's Insight
17% of 18 decks +16% synergy
Malakir Rebirth
17% of 24 decks +9% synergy
Negate
17% of 102 decks -5% synergy
Anguished Unmaking
17% of 24 decks -8% synergy
Cyclonic Rift
16% of 102 decks -9% synergy
Return of the Wildspeaker
15% of 47 decks +3% synergy
Duty Beyond Death
14% of 325 decks +13% synergy
Wear // Tear
14% of 915 decks +7% synergy
Dovin's Veto
14% of 102 decks -4% synergy
Corrupted Conviction
12% of 24 decks +8% synergy
Blacksmith's Skill
12% of 915 decks +10% synergy
Stroke of Midnight
12% of 907 decks +1% synergy
Desynchronization
12% of 68 decks +10% synergy
Legion Leadership
12% of 654 decks +6% synergy
Unbounded Potential
12% of 915 decks +11% synergy
Fling
11% of 915 decks +9% synergy
Thrill of Possibility
11% of 915 decks +1% synergy
Kazuul's Fury
10% of 915 decks +8% synergy
Flawless Maneuver
9% of 915 decks -2% synergy
Serum Snare
9% of 102 decks +8% synergy
Whir of Invention
9% of 102 decks +6% synergy
Brainstorm
9% of 102 decks -10% synergy
Arcane Denial
9% of 102 decks -12% synergy
An Offer You Can't Refuse
9% of 102 decks -14% synergy
Ripples of Potential
8% of 90 decks +5% synergy
Untimely Malfunction
7% of 553 decks -0% synergy
Volt Charge
7% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Reject Imperfection
7% of 102 decks +6% synergy
Slip Out the Back
7% of 102 decks +4% synergy
Mana Drain
7% of 102 decks -8% synergy
Akroma's Will
7% of 915 decks -3% synergy
Silkguard
6% of 47 decks +5% synergy
Eladamri's Call
6% of 47 decks -3% synergy
Thirst for Knowledge
6% of 102 decks +4% synergy
Abrade
6% of 915 decks -6% synergy
Disenchant
5% of 915 decks +2% synergy
Sorceries
Wake the Past
56% of 915 decks +53% synergy
Organic Extinction
50% of 915 decks +48% synergy
Damning Verdict
41% of 915 decks +39% synergy
Thoughtcast
41% of 102 decks +38% synergy
Tezzeret's Gambit
39% of 102 decks +36% synergy
Requisition Raid
36% of 695 decks +34% synergy
Fabricate
31% of 102 decks +26% synergy
Trash for Treasure
30% of 915 decks +29% synergy
Cultivate
28% of 47 decks -16% synergy
Wave Goodbye
27% of 90 decks +25% synergy
Farseek
26% of 47 decks -10% synergy
Nature's Lore
21% of 47 decks -10% synergy
Blasphemous Act
20% of 915 decks -13% synergy
Faithless Looting
20% of 915 decks +3% synergy
Recommission
19% of 915 decks +19% synergy
Three Visits
17% of 47 decks -7% synergy
Voyage Home
17% of 36 decks +14% synergy
Reckless Handling
14% of 915 decks +12% synergy
Dance of the Manse
13% of 102 decks +9% synergy
Scrap Mastery
12% of 915 decks +12% synergy
Contentious Plan
12% of 102 decks +10% synergy
Sevinne's Reclamation
11% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Life's Legacy
11% of 47 decks +9% synergy
Bala Ged Recovery
11% of 47 decks +3% synergy
Kodama's Reach
11% of 47 decks -19% synergy
Vandalblast
10% of 915 decks -6% synergy
Brilliant Restoration
9% of 915 decks +7% synergy
One with the Machine
9% of 102 decks +8% synergy
Harmonize
9% of 47 decks +0% synergy
Supreme Verdict
8% of 102 decks -5% synergy
Reunion of the House
8% of 312 decks +7% synergy
Angelfire Ignition
8% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Austere Command
7% of 915 decks -5% synergy
Rip Apart
7% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Vivisurgeon's Insight
7% of 102 decks +6% synergy
Rishkar's Expertise
6% of 47 decks -4% synergy
Rampant Growth
6% of 47 decks -28% synergy
Open the Vaults
6% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Saheeli's Directive
5% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Utility Artifacts
Ozolith, the Shattered Spire
66% of 47 decks +61% synergy
The Ozolith
63% of 915 decks +60% synergy
Throne of Geth
61% of 915 decks +60% synergy
Mystic Forge
52% of 915 decks +49% synergy
Lux Artillery
51% of 915 decks +51% synergy
Skullclamp
50% of 915 decks +39% synergy
Ichor Wellspring
42% of 915 decks +40% synergy
Animation Module
41% of 915 decks +41% synergy
The Great Henge
40% of 47 decks +31% synergy
Krark-Clan Ironworks
35% of 915 decks +34% synergy
Tarrian's Soulcleaver
30% of 833 decks +29% synergy
Thopter Shop
28% of 915 decks +27% synergy
Uthros Research Craft
25% of 4 decks +22% synergy
Shorikai, Genesis Engine
25% of 102 decks +22% synergy
Cloud Key
24% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Sculpting Steel
21% of 915 decks +19% synergy
Swiftfoot Boots
20% of 915 decks -8% synergy
Unwinding Clock
15% of 915 decks +13% synergy
Energy Chamber
15% of 915 decks +15% synergy
Cranial Plating
12% of 24 decks +11% synergy
The Earth Crystal
12% of 8 decks +8% synergy
Sword of Truth and Justice
12% of 915 decks +11% synergy
Trading Post
11% of 915 decks +10% synergy
Agatha's Soul Cauldron
10% of 908 decks +9% synergy
Andúril, Narsil Reforged
10% of 863 decks +9% synergy
Mycosynth Wellspring
10% of 915 decks +9% synergy
Bident of Thassa
10% of 102 decks +3% synergy
Mirrorworks
10% of 915 decks +9% synergy
Forsaken Monument
10% of 915 decks +8% synergy
Wayfarer's Bauble
9% of 915 decks -0% synergy
Sensei's Divining Top
8% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Lightning Greaves
7% of 915 decks -18% synergy
Archaeomancer's Map
7% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Contagion Clasp
7% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Scourglass
7% of 915 decks +7% synergy
Simulacrum Synthesizer
7% of 76 decks +5% synergy
Birthing Pod
6% of 47 decks +4% synergy
Contagion Engine
6% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Phyrexian Altar
6% of 915 decks +2% synergy
Deluxe Dragster
6% of 102 decks +5% synergy
Prodigy's Prototype
6% of 102 decks +5% synergy
Imposter Mech
6% of 102 decks +4% synergy
Tome of Legends
6% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Thousand Moons Smithy
6% of 833 decks +3% synergy
Darksteel Forge
5% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Mask of Memory
5% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Moonsilver Key
5% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Enchantments
Hardened Scales
55% of 47 decks +46% synergy
Branching Evolution
49% of 47 decks +43% synergy
Pia's Revolution
49% of 915 decks +48% synergy
All Will Be One
45% of 915 decks +42% synergy
Thopter Spy Network
44% of 102 decks +41% synergy
Cathars' Crusade
43% of 915 decks +37% synergy
Rhythm of the Wild
34% of 47 decks +11% synergy
Resourceful Defense
34% of 915 decks +33% synergy
Uncivil Unrest
30% of 915 decks +28% synergy
Innkeeper's Talent
27% of 22 decks +23% synergy
Greater Good
26% of 47 decks +21% synergy
Phyrexian Scriptures
21% of 24 decks +20% synergy
Guardian Project
19% of 47 decks +11% synergy
Smile at Death
19% of 371 decks +17% synergy
Sigarda's Summons
18% of 915 decks +18% synergy
Death's Presence
15% of 47 decks +14% synergy
Tempered Steel
13% of 915 decks +11% synergy
Tribute to the World Tree
13% of 47 decks +7% synergy
Felidar Retreat
12% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Rhystic Study
12% of 102 decks -14% synergy
Invigorating Hot Spring
11% of 47 decks +8% synergy
Mayael's Aria
11% of 47 decks +8% synergy
Annie Joins Up
10% of 31 decks -2% synergy
Artificer Class
9% of 102 decks +8% synergy
Master Chef
9% of 47 decks +7% synergy
Sylvan Library
9% of 47 decks -1% synergy
Darksteel Mutation
8% of 915 decks +2% synergy
Inexorable Tide
8% of 102 decks +5% synergy
Mystic Remora
8% of 102 decks -9% synergy
Reconnaissance Mission
7% of 102 decks +3% synergy
Tocasia's Welcome
7% of 915 decks +3% synergy
Garruk's Uprising
6% of 47 decks -10% synergy
Goblin Bombardment
6% of 915 decks +0% synergy
Storm the Vault
6% of 102 decks +3% synergy
Planeswalkers
Daretti, Scrap Savant
50% of 915 decks +48% synergy
Saheeli, Filigree Master
14% of 102 decks +13% synergy
Tezzeret, Cruel Captain
8% of 121 decks +7% synergy
Ugin, the Ineffable
6% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Utility Lands
Karn's Bastion
66% of 915 decks +62% synergy
Ancient Den
66% of 915 decks +61% synergy
Great Furnace
65% of 915 decks +59% synergy
Buried Ruin
55% of 915 decks +50% synergy
Darksteel Citadel
54% of 915 decks +50% synergy
Seat of the Synod
45% of 102 decks +39% synergy
Inventors' Fair
45% of 915 decks +41% synergy
Vault of Whispers
42% of 24 decks +37% synergy
Gavony Township
36% of 47 decks +28% synergy
Rogue's Passage
33% of 915 decks +13% synergy
Urza's Saga
33% of 915 decks +26% synergy
Tree of Tales
30% of 47 decks +28% synergy
Academy Ruins
25% of 102 decks +20% synergy
Uthros, Titanic Godcore
25% of 4 decks +22% synergy
Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
24% of 915 decks +19% synergy
Drannith Ruins
24% of 915 decks +23% synergy
Urza's Power Plant
24% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Urza's Mine
24% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Urza's Tower
24% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Ruins of Oran-Rief
22% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Archway of Innovation
19% of 68 decks +16% synergy
Phyrexian Tower
17% of 24 decks +8% synergy
Boseiju, Who Endures
15% of 47 decks -4% synergy
Monumental Henge
15% of 651 decks +12% synergy
Reliquary Tower
14% of 915 decks -16% synergy
Fomori Vault
13% of 693 decks +12% synergy
Slayers' Stronghold
12% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Inkmoth Nexus
12% of 915 decks +11% synergy
Temple of the False God
11% of 915 decks +2% synergy
Forge of Heroes
11% of 915 decks +10% synergy
High Market
9% of 915 decks +7% synergy
Kessig Wolf Run
9% of 47 decks -7% synergy
Restless Bivouac
8% of 902 decks +6% synergy
War Room
8% of 915 decks +2% synergy
Otawara, Soaring City
8% of 102 decks -9% synergy
Urza's Workshop
7% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Phyrexia's Core
7% of 915 decks +7% synergy
Minas Tirith
7% of 915 decks -0% synergy
Tomb of the Spirit Dragon
7% of 915 decks +6% synergy
Treasure Vault
7% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Llanowar Reborn
6% of 47 decks +4% synergy
Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
6% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Blinkmoth Nexus
6% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Mana Artifacts
Sol Ring
93% of 915 decks +9% synergy
Arcane Signet
82% of 915 decks +9% synergy
Talisman of Conviction
49% of 915 decks +25% synergy
Boros Signet
47% of 915 decks +26% synergy
Azorius Signet
46% of 102 decks +22% synergy
Talisman of Progress
39% of 102 decks +14% synergy
Izzet Signet
39% of 102 decks +13% synergy
Mind Stone
33% of 915 decks +17% synergy
Talisman of Creativity
32% of 102 decks +4% synergy
Talisman of Hierarchy
25% of 24 decks -1% synergy
Rakdos Signet
17% of 24 decks -11% synergy
Liquimetal Torque
16% of 915 decks +13% synergy
Fellwar Stone
14% of 915 decks -7% synergy
Commander's Sphere
13% of 915 decks -1% synergy
Slagstone Refinery
13% of 915 decks +12% synergy
Orzhov Signet
12% of 24 decks -13% synergy
Mox Opal
12% of 915 decks +8% synergy
Everflowing Chalice
11% of 915 decks +7% synergy
Thran Dynamo
10% of 915 decks +5% synergy
Thought Vessel
9% of 915 decks -8% synergy
Crystal Skull, Isu Spyglass
9% of 68 decks +7% synergy
Talisman of Impulse
9% of 47 decks -2% synergy
Solar Array
7% of 82 decks +6% synergy
Talisman of Unity
6% of 47 decks -1% synergy
Gruul Signet
6% of 47 decks -4% synergy
Staff of Compleation
5% of 915 decks +4% synergy
Lands
Command Tower
90% of 915 decks +15% synergy
Power Depot
69% of 915 decks +68% synergy
Rustvale Bridge
59% of 915 decks +53% synergy
Battlefield Forge
56% of 915 decks +28% synergy
Temple Garden
55% of 47 decks +16% synergy
Clifftop Retreat
55% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Godless Shrine
54% of 24 decks +14% synergy
Stomping Ground
53% of 47 decks +13% synergy
Sacred Foundry
50% of 915 decks +15% synergy
Mystic Monastery
49% of 102 decks +21% synergy
Overgrown Tomb
47% of 17 decks +6% synergy
Vault of Champions
46% of 24 decks +21% synergy
Blood Crypt
46% of 24 decks +8% synergy
Spectator Seating
46% of 915 decks +21% synergy
Jungle Shrine
40% of 47 decks +8% synergy
Raugrin Triome
40% of 102 decks +15% synergy
Prairie Stream
35% of 102 decks +1% synergy
Spire of Industry
33% of 915 decks +30% synergy
Shivan Reef
33% of 102 decks +5% synergy
Razortide Bridge
32% of 102 decks +26% synergy
Canopy Vista
32% of 47 decks -5% synergy
Silverbluff Bridge
31% of 102 decks +26% synergy
Steam Vents
31% of 102 decks -6% synergy
Hallowed Fountain
31% of 102 decks -8% synergy
Jetmir's Garden
30% of 47 decks -0% synergy
Sundown Pass
30% of 915 decks +14% synergy
Perilous Landscape
29% of 68 decks +21% synergy
Adarkar Wastes
29% of 102 decks +8% synergy
Drossforge Bridge
29% of 24 decks +25% synergy
Goldmire Bridge
29% of 24 decks +25% synergy
Savai Triome
29% of 24 decks +4% synergy
Nomad Outpost
29% of 24 decks -1% synergy
Opal Palace
29% of 915 decks +27% synergy
Temple of Triumph
29% of 915 decks +12% synergy
Sulfur Falls
28% of 102 decks -5% synergy
Arid Mesa
28% of 915 decks +18% synergy
Training Center
26% of 102 decks +0% synergy
Glacial Fortress
26% of 102 decks -4% synergy
Rugged Prairie
26% of 915 decks +13% synergy
Spire Garden
26% of 47 decks +2% synergy
Cinder Glade
26% of 47 decks -13% synergy
Sea of Clouds
25% of 102 decks -0% synergy
Luxury Suite
25% of 24 decks -0% synergy
Exotic Orchard
24% of 915 decks -12% synergy
Boros Garrison
24% of 915 decks +11% synergy
Darkmoss Bridge
24% of 17 decks +20% synergy
Llanowar Wastes
24% of 17 decks -3% synergy
The Mycosynth Gardens
23% of 915 decks +22% synergy
Needleverge Pathway
23% of 915 decks +14% synergy
Furycalm Snarl
22% of 915 decks +8% synergy